Re: And You Thought You Were Paranoid...

Steven M. Schultz (sms@ETN-WLV.EATON.COM)
Thu, 10 Nov 88 09:20:09 PST

> From: nic.MR.NET!tank!nucsrl! (Naim Abdullah)
> Organization: Northwestern U, Evanston IL, USA
> Subject: And You Thought You Were Paranoid...
> Message-Id: <>

Naim Abdullah writes...

> In PRINCIPLE "ls -l" is not enough. The worm had root priveleges,
> it could have
> installed a modified /bin/ls so that if one of the files being listed
> was fsck, vmunix, ls, telnetd etc (the tampered binaries) /bin/ls
> would always show predetermined sizes. In that situation, "ls -l" wouldn't
> be enough.

        This is not quite correct, 'sendmail' had changed uid to "daemon"
        (1 on the system here) NOT "root" when executing the worm.
        The worm had NO super user privileges - that would be a serious
        flaw to have 'sendmail' running as "root" at that stage in the
        delivery process. If the system directories and binaries aren't
        writeable by a 'daemon' uid process there shouldn't be a lot
        that could be damaged.

                      Steven Schultz
                      CONTEL Federal Systems IMSD
                      31717 La Tienda Westlake Village CA 91359-5027


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